Voting System for Applications

[Psy]

Considering you guys have changed the voting system to reflect the one used in the United States' presidential election, I would like to suggest something:

Bring back the Voting Councilor group. There were a few in there I believe.

I think it's needed since it shouldn't be up to just 4 people to decide if an applicant gets in, considering normal staff votes only count towards the popular vote.

The system itself is narrowed down enough as it is, so why not get a few of you guys in that Voting Councilor group I had previously created so that it's more "democratic"?

I would like to see some feedback on this suggestion.

[Psy]

I also want to note that this system was used before as well when it was just Death, Pixel, and Hades running the staff. It proved to be too authoritarian and was therefore changed to be semi-democratic. Just thought you should all know that.

[theSipow]

I agree for it to be added back, but it should have a different role than what Psy originally had intended, though with similar qualities.

[Biscuit]

Honestly I have to disagree with the liberation of this idea. I do think that the recruit specialist group already takes much of the role that the "Voting Councilor" group originally intended to take on. No disrespect, I just didn't really like all of those extra groups that were added like server counselor and voting councilor and whatever else there was..

Instead maybe give these extra privileges to Recruit Specialists. I'm not quite sure about Head Administration since they already have every possible job on SwapShop.

[Psy]

Honestly I have to disagree with the liberation of this idea. I do think that the recruit specialist group already takes much of the role that the "Voting Councilor" group originally intended to take on. No disrespect, I just didn't really like all of those extra groups that were added like server counselor and voting councilor and whatever else there was..

Instead maybe give these extra privileges to Recruit Specialists. I'm not quite sure about Head Administration since they already have every possible job on SwapShop.

A few things I want to point out.

1. I was going to make a poll with one of the options being "Yes, but with a different purpose" but Blood made the poll before I could.

2. The point of the group is to have more people deciding on who gets in. Since you guys chose the authoritarian route, you're basically discouraging the entire staff from voting. How? Well you're basically telling them that their "vote" doesn't matter since the 3 head admins plus the 1 recruit specialist make the final decisions.

3. If we take your idea, then it would be up to just Hades to decide who becomes admin. And even he knows that he shouldn't be left alone to make those kinds of decisions.

[Sixteen]

Look at how the forums are set up.
Do you want admins to use the forum?
Removing the significance of their vote removes them for ever needing to use the forums.
If an applicant is so disgusting or amazing that the head admins truly believe should or should not be an admin, then do so. Otherwise, let the admins be admins.
However, if you do not think the admins should be voting, I highly suggest you stop accepting applicants as a whole.
~16

I don''t know how to vote on this post as a result, so I won't be.

[Peter Capaldi's Peter Capaldi]

Look at how the forums are set up.
Do you want admins to use the forum?
Removing the significance of their vote removes them for ever needing to use the forums.
If an applicant is so disgusting or amazing that the head admins truly believe should or should not be an admin, then do so. Otherwise, let the admins be admins.
However, if you do not think the admins should be voting, I highly suggest you stop accepting applicants as a whole.
~16

I don't know how to vote on this post as a result, so I won't be.

What does that say about our admins and the forums? Think about it.

Same. I don't really have a standing on this issue. Besides, I'm not an admin.

[mental]

Id rather have a voting counselor

[Psy]

I just want to make some clarifications.

The original purpose of the Voting Councilor group was to pick out the active voters from the staff. Before I left, we had the head admins (Death, Blood, and I at the time), Hamtaro, Strum, Robo, Doggo, Sipow, Dauthlin, Hades, and Yee. Our votes were to be unbiased and objective. Our votes were the ones that people had to look to for accurate and consistent reasons along with our votes. Considering there were a lot of bias at the time, it served its purpose very well.

My suggested purpose for the group, if it is to be recreated, is that it will reflect the electoral college in the U.S. presidential election. It sounds messy but since the head admins changed the voting system to reflect the selection's voting system, they might as well use the whole system.

If the U.S. needs 270 electoral votes to decide on who becomes the next president, I thought to myself, "Well gee, why should an applicant only need 4 guys (head admins + Hades) deciding if he gets in? What if they really like him? What if they despise him? What if only half of them decide because the other 2 feel biased?"

Overall, it shouldn't be up to just Blood, Ham, Strum, and Hades to make the final decision on an application. Blood and I were close to doing that before but we decided to not take that path. What I'm seeing now with this new voting system is exactly that path.

We want more dedicated staff members right? So why take away the number one importance of going on the forums for them?

Maybe that's why I get messages like this:

"The system is rigged, so I stopped caring."

The popular vote is basically useless. Just look at all the protesters who voted for Clinton.. She won by popular vote but since the electoral college voted for Trump, half of America got mad.

TL;DR: Either you add more people into your "electoral college" or go back to the old voting system.

[Sixteen]

The voting counselor doesn't make any sense though. When applying for any position of administration, you use the same application format. So when people apply for "Voting Couselor" all they have to do is rewrite their original application. They have the time on the server to have that reputation to be accepted, and they know all of the answers to write a correct application. Therefore any admin can become a voting counselor. Therefore, every admin can become a voting counselor. Therefore, there is no point in having a voting counselor. (I know this is the same for every position and I do fully believe each position should have a different application to fill out.)
~16

[Psy]

The way admins would be added into the "electoral college" group would be up to the Head Admins to decide. I just think we need more people making the final decisions. Y'know, as a STAFF, a TEAM. If my idea is pointless, which I can see why, then maybe someone else has a better idea that will still work.

[Sixteen]

I 100% believe that original "every admin has equal vote" is the best way to do it. The voting process shouldn't be so convoluted. Just vote, voice your opinions, and come to a consensus. Maybe a week after the applicant is accepted, they are a terrible addditon. Then get rid of them. This isn't hard, or at the very least it shouldn't be hard.
~16

[Psy]

I 100% believe that original "every admin has equal vote" is the best way to do it. The voting process shouldn't be so convoluted. Just vote, voice your opinions, and come to a consensus. Maybe a week after the applicant is accepted, they are a terrible addditon. Then get rid of them. This isn't hard, or at the very least it shouldn't be hard.
~16

That was my original suggestion, but I suggested the above since I wasn't sure and still am not sure if it's that easy for them. I liked it better when everyone could voice their opinions. It was fun seeing what reasons people could use to say yes or no.

If you (head admins) are willing to take this suggestion, then I vote for it too.

[murts]

No admins have cared for applications and doing this leaves it up to head admins to take the initiative of applications. We have had this problem for months and we feel that the lack of effort is pretty much effortless so as for the voting unless admins change their behavior it's staying this way.

[Sixteen]

Why would they change their behavior? You are telling them they can't vote, so why would they try?
~16