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General => Suggestions / Feedback => Old Suggestions / Feedback => Topic started by: meatbone on December 13, 2016, 06:12:47 AM
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They are giving me hard times and slightly frustrate me. I come from a community where it was against the rules to use the grapples for forms of combat, but that was to accommodate the large maps the server had.
I am not disagreeing with a new development with swapshop, but from the 11 people I've asked how they felt about grapples most tend to agree they should be taken out.
Thoughts and suggestions?
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I think grapples should be enabled on certain servers, like your orange crit maps for example.
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I don't think they were a good addition on ALL servers.
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The issue is that the grapples have an unlimited distance range for items to grapple to.
You can be across the map in the Mario kart and still grapple across.
In reality it should just be shortened so it can be more of a tool, over an an advantage.
Note: The reason I stand up for them, is because they're hella better than the jetpacks.
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Perhaps adding a limited time to the grappling. In other words, you grapple to a wall and only can be on it for like 1.5 seconds.
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Someone suggested to me that they should be like VIP in a way, where you buy them from the store to use them for a short amount of time
Or that they should COME with vip. (to also entice people to get VIP)
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Add a poll.
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Someone suggested to me that they should be like VIP in a way, where you buy them from the store to use them for a short amount of time
Or that they should COME with vip. (to also entice people to get VIP)
But as you say, Grapples gives ridiculous advantages.
It would essentially give people "pay to win" and annoy plenty of people. Potentially driving away a player count.
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Adding jetpacks and grappling hooks was an effort to get more players on the servers. I'm thinking it worked, kinda sorta.
I don't think it should be removed though, as the amount of players that enjoy using them would stop playing on swapshop servers. Those who stopped playing because of the ADDITION of the hooks would never know that they were removed if we were to do so, resulting in a huge loss of players.
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Adding jetpacks and grappling hooks was an effort to get more players on the servers. I'm thinking it worked, kinda sorta.
I don't think it should be removed though, as the amount of players that enjoy using them would stop playing on swapshop servers. Those who stopped playing because of the ADDITION of the hooks would never know that they were removed if we were to do so, resulting in a huge loss of players.
To counter that argument, I would like to say that I have observed a lot of players complaining about the grappling hooks. I often hear rude remarks exchanged between players for being "cheap" by grappling away from fights that they cannot win.
Simply put, there are reasons to keep the grappling hooks, as well as reasons to remove them.
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To be perfectly honest, I have not been on the servers as when I even make an attempt at playing on my favorite servers(Orange X# Crits) or any other server for that manner I see people constantly trying to be like spiderman using the grapple hooks. Heavys drop out of no where. Players playing as soldiers disregard rocket jumping and just use grapple hooks because it is easier. Random bleed effects because someone hits you with a grapple hook from no where. Grapple hooks in my opinion remove the game-play balance and it is exceptionally annoying to me and therefore I have stopped playing, I only go on the rare time that I get a report now.
Edit
I have voted: No.
Hades
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I voted "No." I wouldn't want Jetpacks or Grappling Hooks on any of these servers. Especially 08. Not that Demosharking could still be effective on 08 but I'm not willing to try when this sort of game breaking feature is around.
In addition, for anyone who doesn't know how to shark or doesn't shark due to play style, this does seem like a huge issue to SwapShop's in-game balance to those who do not typically shark exclusively. Of course, this is all from an 08 perspective. I'm sure it's just as much of an issue on other servers.
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I would rather have grappling hooks then jetpacks. As Hamtaro said, there should be a limit time to the grapples.
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Psy, I didn't make a pool because I was never taught how to.
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Psy, I didn't make a pool because I was never taught how to.
Ooooookaaaaaay? ??? Surely you jest? :P
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Psy, I didn't make a pool because I was never taught how to.
Ooooookaaaaaay? ??? Surely you jest? :P
1.) I forgot I can quote forum posts.
2.) I'm not joking when I saw nobody told me how to create polls*
3.) I misspelled poll.
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Psy, I didn't make a pool because I was never taught how to.
Ooooookaaaaaay? ??? Surely you jest? :P
1.) I forgot I can quote forum posts.
2.) I'm not joking when I saw nobody told me how to create polls*
3.) I misspelled poll.
If making a new topic and you want to add a poll to it, click "NEW POLL" instead of "NEW TOPIC".
If adding a poll to an existing topic, click "ADD POLL" at the top right corner of the post next to "REPLY".
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EDITED: Or, you know, learn how to parse UI information and not fail like me. :P
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Or, you know, learn how to parse UI information. :P
Hey I appreciate what you do for the forums, but please do not talk down to me. I do not appreciate it.
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Hey I appreciate what you do for the forums, but please do not talk down to me. I do not appreciate it.
I'm sorry that I hurt you. I was just trying to joke around. Seriously, even I have UI parsing problems. I've been trying to figure out FL Studio... That UI is a nightmare. It's pretty, but man, it's a nightmare! :P I can edit my post if you want me to. Just tell me how I should edit it to and I'll change it as soon as possible!
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In my own personal opinion, the skill cap is raised much higher with the addition of grappling hooks. It doesn't make the servers as enjoyable as they did before the addition of the jetpacks and hooks.
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In my own personal opinion, the skill cap is raised much higher with the addition of grappling hooks. It doesn't make the servers as enjoyable as they did before the addition of the jetpacks and hooks.
I wonder how Sharking will be impacted. I still haven't set up my stuff yet... I'm not playing TF2 until I get my current setup close to my old setup... I would agree but I'm not sure if it's actually true. I'm not sure if this makes the game easier or harder. At least, I'm not sure how it impacts 08. The reason why I want the feature is because it seems like a pretty bad addition to the gameplay.
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Well votes were made, can lock the topic upon request.
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While I understand the complaint about grapple hooks (mostly due to their range), but it did add some variety to servers, and made it easier to get out of spawn if one side was camping. You could impose a limit on how long they stick surfaces, as it only take a second to get halfway across trade plaza while using it. Not only that, but it also opened up the possibility to perform tricks and interesting kills. Yeah sure, heavies could drop out of nowhere, but you can still kill the person grappling around and if they manage to attach themselves to you. All it took was just getting used to it.
Just because some of you didn't like the new features doesn't mean everyone else didn't, and I've seen plenty using the new addon. And because so few come to the forums, I doubt this poll is an accurate representation. I welcome new changes (like the recent train rain thing), but not if they make the servers seem stale in comparison to what they used to be.
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Hi, I'd like to make a pose a possibly intriguing thought to the topic of ad-ons to this server concerning the grappling hook among other features.
I see a lot of administrators using arguments such as "attracting new players" and "spawn-camp prevention".
I have not noted any new players who join these servers simply because it has a grappling hook. TF2's original purpose for the grappling hooks in their new game-mode was unsuccessful in its popularity - most players shunned the new game mode because it wasn't fun to deal with players who grappled away in a fight, or grappled directly into an instant-backstab or (as I like to do, especially) demomen who would tag onto better players and instantly kill them with the caber.
If admins are going to claim it's attracting new players, then there should be some form of proof of this, because from the looks of it no one is observing new players, and the player-rate in TF2 isn't really fluctuating, to begin with.
Furthermore, I'd like to include that I've been using these grappling hooks to grief newer players, if anything. It's a griefing tool, and isn't useful for anyone but better players or hit-and-run tactics. So those new players you're talking about? Never saw any come back to the servers after having their asses handed to them with a grapple.
Lastly, about the "spawn camping" tidbit which is a notable issue among the TF2ss servers - the grappling hook doesn't solve this issue. Spawn camping still remains the same, and players will see where the hook is going and follow their target - if not grapple onto the campees immediately upon spawn exit. I personally think this argument is invalid.
If you guys really want to prevent spawn camping, then look into pursuing friendly mode upon your servers.
I'm glad the grappling hook was removed - and I used it a LOT. That does not mean I liked it or thought it was a good idea. It's survival adaption.
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If you guys really want to prevent spawn camping, then look into pursuing friendly mode upon your servers.
Been there, done that.
The friendly command that was last implemented over a year ago for a long period of time, broke the weapon drops. We could only have one or the other. The exploit was essentially a free godmode in the ability to pick up a fully loaded weapon while untouchable.
The Grappling hooks seem to have been removed, so they are no longer currently a concern.
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Grappling hooks have been removed.
Topic locked.