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General => Discussions => Old Discussions => Topic started by: Peter Capaldi's Peter Capaldi on November 11, 2016, 06:47:43 PM
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TL;DR: Become a member.
I don't usually read applications, but I do, however, want to bring up something I find vital. While I can say that my time on the forums and my time away from the in-game atmosphere has drastically changed my perspective, I would like to mention the stunning in-game player base. The people I have encountered seem considerably young, but I believe SwapShop has one of the most unique, inviting and beloved communities I've encountered. SwapShop's player community is a diamond in the rough in many respects.
Of course, there are issues which underline the community's image. Now, I'm not sure if I'm only seeing this because I've been disconnected and only interested in the forums or if it's because I'm on to something. Personally, I think it's just because I've become disconnected to the folks who play in-game. Then again, that doesn't mean I'm on to something and it doesn't mean I'm not on to something.
Here's the news. These forums have a gatekeeper. It's called the administrator application. This wouldn't be the case if the majority of active people on these forums were strictly members. You're either a member with some bug or report that needs to be solved, a passer-by, an applicant or an administrator. There's little encouragement for long term and passionate forum members like me and Nationn. So I ask, why do so many people want to become an admin? Why aren't people content with fulfilling a greater role within the SwapShop forums and in-game community? 'Cause right now, the most important role anyone can fill is "member." This is especially true from a forum perspective.
Let me say this: as a member, I don't have the foggiest clue to what happens behind this forum's gatekeeper. The fact makes me suspicious, concerned and critical of the administration and betterment of SwapShop. Some days I worry too much and on days like these I care less. What's the grand vision? What's the point of becoming a SwapShop admin? We already have over thirty admins who may or may not work for SwapShop. Heck, Nationn isn't even committed to being a permanent member. Didn't Nationn apply for admin multiple times? We all know Sixteen is still hangin' around just to suck up and become an admin again. He already applied since his return and he has been denied. He'll apply again. People here on the forums and on the in-game servers want to be an admin. Why? Because admins have cool commands and cool powers, right? Maybe people perceive the administration as trash. Maybe it's a spit in the face to the administration's poor application to the people's issues. This may just be my little opinion but it sure feels like the truth.
If it's true that we have poor admins, then how in the world is SwapShop allowing such a poorly disciplined staff to exist in the first place? As far as I know, I am the only one who has expressed a determined commitment to my role as a permanent member of SwapShop. I do not have nor will I ever have a plan to be an admin. I refuse to make a application out of spite of the application system and I refuse to be an admin for the sake of SwapShop's integrity as a community. I do this out of passion and care, not malice and hate. I don't have a voice within the administration. I gain nothing from writing this. But while I write and act with a blind fold to the workings of the administration, I do know that there are people who care about what I'm fulfilling. At least I believe someone may care.
I have gotten frustrated with the people and circumstances of SwapShop's forum. I have also seen the kindness and patience some people have given to me, and for that I appreciate their efforts. Even though I have no power or ability I have felt like doing the most impossible, the most unthinkable and the most downright deplorable things. But deep down, I still have friends here who are willing to put up with me. Therefore, I am willing to put up with them. I count SwapShop to be a friend in need of healing. I suppose I'm pretty bad at fixin' up my friends. But I know who can fix it up, and it's every member and admin within this community.
So what's goin' on? Why are you applying for admin? Think about it. Do some soul searching and then get back to me on that. Maybe request for a few demotions down to member.
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Alright.
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Alright.
~16
Some days, I can't help but think about how awesome you are. :P I love your unconditional response. Gives my little confused freezer of a heart a little glow. ;) Eh, now I'm getting a little too sentimental on my trashy topic. :P
https://youtu.be/CQmEfmXs0S8?t=1m38s
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I really admire how many posts you make complaining about how things are and claim that you are trying to make things different, yet everything has been the same this whole time. I am not against SwapShop changing. Just against your lack of trying.
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I really admire how many posts you make complaining about how things are and claim that you are trying to make things different, yet everything has been the same this whole time. I am not against SwapShop changing. Just against your lack of trying.
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Righty-ho. What are you goin' to go do change SwapShop? What am I not doing? You need to teach me how to get stuff done. I'm being honest. You do. You're right. So you gotta teach me.
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I'm not the one looking to. You know that.
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I'm not the one looking to. You know that.
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Well, what's the point in telling me what I already know? If you're not the one to look to, then you're not necessarily the one to talk about my complaint. It's just a stupid complaint after all, I'm only vocalizing. I assume you agree with something in my wall of text?
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It's just a stupid complaint after all
I agree.
~16
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It's just a stupid complaint after all
I agree.
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Alrighty, we'll go off of that. Let's mend this. What can we do? First order of business is off the table. No more complaining from me, and no more complaining from you. But if you're purpose is only to complain about my complaining, then that seems a little self-centered. I'm trying to work with you here and it seems like you're folding. What's up?
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Sixteen doesn't like us anymore. He's too good for us. :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'(
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Sixteen doesn't like us anymore. He's too good for us. :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'(
Actually you would think he doesn't like you, but he actually does.... deep down xD
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Sixteen doesn't like us anymore. He's too good for us. :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'(
Actually you would think he doesn't like you, but he actually does.... deep down xD
It's true. If he didn't like anyone, then he wouldn't be rebuking, pointing out the flaws and disagreeing. After some thinking about it, I agree with him. I say I'm going to do X, Y and Z and I say that I want to improve SwapShop but I don't act upon my intentions. There's no good coming from sitting around and complaining about the things I think need changing. I've only expressed my beliefs and that doesn't change anything. He's completely right.
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Sixteen doesn't like us anymore. He's too good for us. :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'(
Actually you would think he doesn't like you, but he actually does.... deep down xD
It's true. If he didn't like anyone, then he wouldn't be rebuking, pointing out the flaws and disagreeing. After some thinking about it, I agree with him. I say I'm going to do X, Y and Z and I say that I want to improve SwapShop but I don't act upon my intentions. There's no good coming from sitting around and complaining about the things I think need changing. I've only expressed my beliefs and that doesn't change anything. He's completely right.
Definitely agreeable, even while others have complained of the same things.
Complaints, suggestions, and ideas are meaningless here, and "nothing will ever change".
Imagine farmers who never use technology to benefit their franchise on a global level. Time to give up and enjoy the new grapple hook. Maybe they'll add x10 to all of the servers next. Just try not to get punished for breathing in the meantime.
So what's goin' on? Why are you applying for admin? Think about it. Do some soul searching and then get back to me on that. Maybe request for a few demotions down to member.
Want to know a secret?
I was so scared of admin mistreatment, that I applied so that they could not touch me (via punishment) if I targetted (killed) only them, or said something sarcastic/tauntingly.
Admins on TF2ss servers are terrifying because of their egos and close-knit relations. I can't be the only person who had an anxiety attack because of the way they act towards regular members. Yet, complaining about them is very frowned upon.
Never complain about admins ever again or everyone will hate you Peter.
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Never complain about admins ever again or everyone will hate you Peter.
I cannot say I would hate you for it. I prefer an honest comment than a sugar coated comment that I would like to hear.
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Definitely agreeable, even while others have complained of the same things.
Complaints, suggestions, and ideas are meaningless here, and "nothing will ever change".
Imagine farmers who never use technology to benefit their franchise on a global level. Time to give up and enjoy the new grapple hook. Maybe they'll add x10 to all of the servers next. Just try not to get punished for breathing in the meantime.
I'd rather be punished for breathing rather than be praised for my suicide. While I know I'm just pointlessly complaining, I believe that I should still say what's on my mind, what I believe and what I don't agree with. Someone's not going to magically appear and say what I want to say. If I don't say something, then it won't matter what I try. The converse works the same way. Throughout history, people have been able to bring change just by using their voice. Actions speak louder than words and words work harder than actions. I do have a lack of trying and I've only done something small. Unfortunately, you're right. No one listens to complaints and nothing will ever change here at SwapShop by complaining.
Want to know a secret?
I was so scared of admin mistreatment, that I applied so that they could not touch me (via punishment) if I targetted (killed) only them, or said something sarcastic/tauntingly.
Admins on TF2ss servers are terrifying because of their egos and close-knit relations. I can't be the only person who had an anxiety attack because of the way they act towards regular members. Yet, complaining about them is very frowned upon.
Never complain about admins ever again or everyone will hate you Peter.
I respect your honesty and I understand why people feel pressured to become an admin. I can't say that I have ever been intimidated nor mistreated by administrators. The administrators I have encountered treat me well and they've been here for me. As I have said, I still value SwapShop as a friend. However, I don't trust the administration due to its system. I decided that I would rather complain about the administration than lie to my friends and censor my voice.
I encourage you to request for demotion and fight for SwapShop's forums. Don't be afraid to speak up. Don't be afraid to be a committed member. Don't be afraid of whatever you have seen behind the curtain. They may punish you for disagreeing but they cannot justify it. Respect the administration's decisions even if you disagree. They cannot justify permanent banishment under vocalization. You are protected by their conscience, by respecting their decisions and by your willingness to agree to disagree. You also have the protection under the duty, importance and responsibility of members. If am wrong, then I wouldn't be here.
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Never complain about admins ever again or everyone will hate you Peter.
I cannot say I would hate you for it. I prefer an honest comment than a sugar coated comment that I would like to hear.
I appreciate your input, Hamtaro. I would rather open a can than starve by an idle hand. I'd rather be hated by everyone for my voice than loved by no one for my silence. What Sixteen can't teach me is what I need to do. What he has taught me is that I need to act. I've already put a plan in place. This is only the beginning. Think about these forums and think about what the forum's gatekeeper has done. I don't know what happens behind the scenes. I know I'm going to mess up, but I also know that I have people who are here to help me learn and correct my mistakes. You know what happens behind the gates and you have an administrative influence. Make it count.
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Containers
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SS Discord
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Attracting New Players
Become a Member.
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Containers
08C
SS Discord
SS Security
Attracting New Players
Become a Member.
~16
Hm. I'm not certain I'm reading exactly what you're trying to say. I'm supposed to think the best of this list or the worst of it? I just want to understand. I wanna know where we're going. :)
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To Robo:
I somewhat disagree with some if not all of your generalized and stereotypical statements regarding Admin abuse and behavior.
When you base the entire Staff off of one or more anecdote, it's unfair to the rest of the Staff that have never done or behaved the way that you claim that all Admins do.
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I'd also like to personally thank Peter for his admirable dedication and honesty. One thing that Robo said that I somewhat do agree with, is that some players are afraid of speaking out against Admins in fear of being punished for it. However, I personally believe that constructive criticism should always be encouraged around the community, because without feedback, we cannot improve and make the player base happier.
I'll also be honest in saying that I did not read the entire post, so if I left something out, feel free to correct me.
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When you base the entire Staff off of one or more anecdote, it's unfair to the rest of the Staff that have never done or behaved the way that you claim that all Admins do.
I'd also like to personally thank Peter for his admirable dedication and honesty. One thing that Robo said that I somewhat do agree with, is that some players are afraid of speaking out against Admins in fear of being punished for it. However, I personally believe that constructive criticism should always be encouraged around the community, because without feedback, we cannot improve and make the player base happier.
I'll also be honest in saying that I did not read the entire post, so if I left something out, feel free to correct me.
I'm gonna do this in color because I wanna use colors. :P
I would also like to point out that this is even true- if not especially true- in the positive context. It's still extraordinarily unfair to those who also do act as Robo has described. Generalizations are half-measures. They sort of get the job done and they tend to miss the big picture. It's just as unfair to say that all admins at SwapShop are nice yet digressive as it is to say that all admins at SwapShop are hateful yet insightful.
For example, is a man who slings racial slurs entirely racist? Of course not! Hate can be quite productive and enlightening. What determines a racist person is disrespect, not the hatred. The reason why so many people commit hate crimes is because the people who commit them don't understand the difference between hatred and disrespect. Therefore, hatred is stereotyped and people get confused.
Some days I wonder if those people are stereotyping others or if they're stereotyping hatred. People have been convinced that hatred and offensiveness is disrespect. I know a friend who wears a mask of racism, edginess and faux bigotry to stand out from the crowd and get a laugh. Some days he allows his mask to control him and other days he has sincerely told me the truth. You need to remember that the people who are or seem "racist" are people too.
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Besides, I'm sure there are people who disagree with me and I'm sure they have spectacular reasons. I don't doubt that. This example only captures a small fraction of the racial issues and the multiple perspectives on the matter. Well, that and...
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Thank you for your words, Bloodrain. I'm glad that you try to live contrary to what Robo has experienced. Unfortunately, it's not as simple as listening and making the community happier. It's not about making people happier; it's about improving SwapShop. I would rather have SwapShop improve than have every person happy.
I have a correction for ya. :D Read the entire post ya lazy bones! ;)
CAAAAAAAAAAARL:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jJOwdrTA8Gw&t=15s
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I'm going to make my point here, minus the aggression.
Okay so...
A lot of the staff members are lazy. This is an ongoing debate of whether we should or shouldn't care about it. True, it is a voluntary job for a gaming community. But, and this is the strongest point anyone can make that wishes to address this issue, it is still a job. Why bother hiring new staff members and 2/3 of them don't do the job? Sure it's just a game but come on, if that's your (general audience) only argument for letting these applicants slack off, might as well just keep those that actually do their job.
When I resigned, I sort of fired myself. I was stressing out over the community too much that I didn't see how unhealthy it was for me. Now that I have a clearer mind, I would like to say that I do not regret my resignation. It has allowed me to cool down and get rid of my aggression towards the lazy portion of the staff. However, recently a few of the staff themselves have come to me expressing their disappointment towards each other.
Pardon my French but, WHY THE FUCK ARE YOU IDIOTS COMPLAINING TO ME WHEN YOU YOURSELVES ARE CONTRIBUTING TO THE PROBLEMS THAT YOU'RE BITCHING ABOUT?
"Death acts like a 10 year old."
"I don't think Blood knows what he's doing."
"I'm the only one taking reports nowadays."
"All the good ones left."
"The system is corrupt, so I just stopped caring."
As Hades has constantly told me before, "be the change that you want to happen" or something like that..
I won't call out specific names, but in my opinion, if I was still part of staff, there would be a mass demotion wave, the second to go on SwapShop history.
Want my honestly honest opinion? Get rid of the bad eggs... You guys only need less than 20 staff members.. If new ones show up that are way better than the old ones, get rid of the old ones..
SwapShop staff is notoriously known to form close bonds with each other, that's how I met my current partner..
Unless anyone really wants to make a change, nobody's voices will be taken seriously. Sure they'll be heard, but so what? Look where I ended up.. Just simply a retired staff member..
I may be respected by a good portion of the community but I don't need it..
And for those who use their admin status to gain "respect," I feel sorry for you..
Getting a genuine "thank you so much admin" comment is so much more rewarding than a stupid "admin is bae" comment..
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I think I will give my two cents in this debacle.
I completely agree with Psykotik, GET RID OF THE FUCKING LAZY PIECES OF SHITS.
Im sick and tired of seeing Swapshop getting fucked over by a bunch of faggots that don't know what they are doing, or better yet people who cant be botherd to do their part in the community. We do not need people slacking off in this community. None of this would have happen if you had listen. So my suggestion, listen to US the community and start the removal of admins who cant be bothered to do their part in the community and only want respect and attention and to start adding people who actually fucking care about Swapshop.
I am not going to sit here and watch Swapshop go downhill because a bunch of admins are too stupid to think and do their jobs. I think we should have a meeting with some really good community members and staff members and discuss this situation because this has gotten way out of hand.
Sorry for my french and rant, feel free to correct me on the shit that I have said.
Love,
Nationn
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Maybe contradictory because of my being on staff, but yeah this is the truth and the full truth. Everything everyone has said is generally what is happening or has happened in the past.
There are admins that don't really move a finger and I do think that should be addressed ASAP. The dead weight is not something we need to keep whether or not these highly inactive people are changing SwapShop in a negative way.
I'm guilty of being quite lazy on SwapShop matters as of recently but I do believe my circumstances are understandable and relatable enough for the rest of you to take in. School is really occupying any and all of my free time and my weekends and I now have a job I'm going to start in two weeks. I'm trying not to make all of these things sound like an excuse but I know that you'll see it like that anyway.
If you think any of the admins are just acting as dead weight you should message them directly. Especially if I'm on that list. I always take criticism openly and with full respect to other's opinions. If you think that this issue is something we should tackle in a future staff meeting then please say so. I'd be more than happy to write about the topic and discuss removing inactive admins.
And a trend that y'all probably see when inactive members are considered for demotion is that they will become extremely active after we notify them of their possible demotion if no action is taken. And after maybe a week or two, they just disappear like they've done their part and all is well. This is something I don't think should be allowed to happen. There are only so many warnings one can give before changes must happen.
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Well then a big question for the admins is: Do you guys need more active hands on deck or is the job getting done?
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Yeah I would support a cutoff line for how many admins we hire. We hired give or take 50+ admins ever since I've been on staff. There is not a need for more than just a selected few, maybe 10-15 admins at most. The only time we would ever need extra admins is if they live in a foreign country to help with the nighttime and early morning reports, which I don't really know if there are any.
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Well then a big question for the admins is: Do you guys need more active hands on deck or is the job getting done?
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That's exactly the question. According to the recent posts, SwapShop's admins are being lazy. Those administrators probably haven't been dedicated or occupied with SwapShop. Whether or not they were dedicated members prior to their service is unknown to me. However, adding administrators who may be active for their initial acceptance period is a cheap way to acquire active administrators. In any case, people have free reign to sign up and immediately apply. if I were a new member on the forums, then I would see a reason to apply for an administrator position, let alone a in-game administrator position. With such members who are apparently "dedicated enough", you would think that they would be active prior to submitting an application. I would like to know the amount of successful and productive admins who signed up when they first joined the forums.
Maybe contradictory because of my being on staff, but yeah this is the truth and the full truth. Everything everyone has said is generally what is happening or has happened in the past.
There are admins that don't really move a finger and I do think that should be addressed ASAP. The dead weight is not something we need to keep whether or not these highly inactive people are changing SwapShop in a negative way.
I'm guilty of being quite lazy on SwapShop matters as of recently but I do believe my circumstances are understandable and relatable enough for the rest of you to take in. School is really occupying any and all of my free time and my weekends and I now have a job I'm going to start in two weeks. I'm trying not to make all of these things sound like an excuse but I know that you'll see it like that anyway.
If you think any of the admins are just acting as dead weight you should message them directly. Especially if I'm on that list. I always take criticism openly and with full respect to other's opinions. If you think that this issue is something we should tackle in a future staff meeting then please say so. I'd be more than happy to write about the topic and discuss removing inactive admins.
And a trend that y'all probably see when inactive members are considered for demotion is that they will become extremely active after we notify them of their possible demotion if no action is taken. And after maybe a week or two, they just disappear like they've done their part and all is well. This is something I don't think should be allowed to happen. There are only so many warnings one can give before changes must happen.
I agree, these administrators should be demoted. Any of the admins who remain should take action and time on the public forums. To prevent further inactive members I would recommend cutting off the flow of poor administration at its roots. I would either automatically deny applications made by new members or set a lock on applications until a particular level or statistic is acquired by new members. As a bonus, setting a required number of posts, hours and such on the forums would eliminate the "how much time would you spend on the forums" question on the application form. Not supporting any promotional means for member growth on the public boards for the sake of advocating an admin-centered forum while retaining a public board is ludicrous. If SwapShop wishes to retain a public board yet require members to become admins, then all sections on the public boards excluding the "Rules & Guidelines" board, the "Reporting & Help Section" board and the "Applications" board should be removed.
Yeah I would support a cutoff line for how many admins we hire. We hired give or take 50+ admins ever since I've been on staff. There is not a need for more than just a selected few, maybe 10-15 admins at most. The only time we would ever need extra admins is if they live in a foreign country to help with the nighttime and early morning reports, which I don't really know if there are any.
It's mind boggling that there more admins on these forums than active members... I suppose we'll allow and encourage new members to create admin applications to potentially slack off and maybe gain a little bit of cheap respect by allowing them to submit applications. If a new member on the forums has already been a dedicated SwapShop member in-game, then they should want to participate on the public boards, especially those members who wish to become admins.
Because if new members can make administrator applications, then they won't take time on these forums and they won't take time to see where their talents and time is needed. Adding a limit will ensure that we get more members and more active admins. Think about it. Many people don't know the power, vitality and protection they hold as a member. They want cheap respect, power and protection from administrator role can offer. Allowing people to become familiar to being a member on the forums would help educate the people. Heck, it may even humble the bad eggs.
Unless anyone really wants to make a change, nobody's voices will be taken seriously. Sure they'll be heard, but so what? Look where I ended up.. Just simply a retired staff member..
I think I will give my two cents in this debacle.
I completely agree with Psykotik, GET RID OF THE FUCKING LAZY PIECES OF SHITS.
Im sick and tired of seeing Swapshop getting fucked over by a bunch of faggots that don't know what they are doing, or better yet people who cant be botherd to do their part in the community. We do not need people slacking off in this community. None of this would have happen if you had listen. So my suggestion, listen to US the community and start the removal of admins who cant be bothered to do their part in the community and only want respect and attention and to start adding people who actually fucking care about Swapshop.
If radical changes aren't brought, then this will only become a never ending windmill and, let me tell you, I can see a windmill in our Feel Good Inc. But hey...
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Well then a big question for the admins is: Do you guys need more active hands on deck or is the job getting done?
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In that case, removing lazy admins?
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Well that's not really my point. If the heads want to cut off all of the "lazy admins" (which is a horrible term) then go ahead. My point is that if you have enough admins, then stop accepting new admin applications. No point in adding more if you already have too many. This would really suck for all of the new applicants, but that's how it works I guess.
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We don't really want to say remove "lazy" admins but from recent events have shown admins don't care to even check forums any more. As there are some who do I can't say this is everyone but the fact is people are getting lazy and something needs to be done.
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A lot of the staff members are lazy. This is an ongoing debate of whether we should or shouldn't care about it.
I think I will give my two cents in this debacle.
I completely agree with Psykotik, GET RID OF THE FUCKING LAZY PIECES OF SHITS.
Well that's not really my point. If the heads want to cut off all of the "lazy admins" (which is a horrible term) then go ahead.
We don't really want to say remove "lazy" admins [...]
Whoa, whoa, whoa! Hold on! What the heck is being played here? One group of you guys is saying SwapShop has lazy admins and another is saying that we don't have lazy admins. Just because an admin is productive doesn't mean that admin is proactive. If an admin is not productive and proactive, then the admin is lazy. Well, which one is it? Are they lazy or are they active? If they are lazy, then who's being lazy? ???
Well that's not really my point. If the heads want to cut off all of the "lazy admins" (which is a horrible term) then go ahead. My point is that if you have enough admins, then stop accepting new admin applications. No point in adding more if you already have too many. This would really suck for all of the new applicants, but that's how it works I guess.
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Heyo! Closing admin applications sounds like a good start. I'm liking that idea. ;) Maybe we can take the next step forward and require new members to actually participate on the forums before they make an admin application. I mean, it's not like we're trying to make applicants feel good by accepting them instead of actually looking for excellent potenti- wait... I almost forgot. This is the Feel Good Inc. 8)
We don't really want to say remove "lazy" admins but from recent events have shown admins don't care to even check forums any more. As there are some who do I can't say this is everyone but the fact is people are getting lazy and something needs to be done. If they are lazy, then who's being lazy?
I agree. Something certainly needs to be done about the administrators laziness. I love how my topic about the forum's dire need of members has spiraled off into a "let's just talk about what's happening inside the administration." Noice hijack. 8) Then again, I shouldn't complain. Now that I think about it, I'm glad the admins are being open about what's happening behind the gates.
Here's your daily dose of Youtube:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=muLAN-kP5pE
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The Head Admins seem to know the issue like everyone else. The question is, what are they going to do about it?
Are they going to start cutting down on these people or are we going to have this discussion again after Christmas?
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It's my turn to talk the truth. Will be brief as well.
Almost every admin is not being active at forums. I can count with my fingers the active admins at forums.
Regardless of them taking reports and addressing issues at forums, as an admin you're required to be active at forums. I'm not saying to be 24/7, many work and/or study, but to at least see the forums once a week would be nice without the need of notifying them.
As for Psy's question and frankly speaking, the option has been offered, awaiting an answer.
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I'm just going to put a quick post here:
Having a lazy staff that only comes on servers to use perks is going to make other players assume that admins are not that important and only do cool things. It will just cause a constant chain of players making good applications to get in just to occasionally talk in the group chat and dick around. However, having a small staff that actually works will have players assume that being an admin is a serious business. This will probably make most applications more serious and less of the, "fake" ones (as I like to call them) be posted. Not to mention the lack luster effort put into applications. Why? It's because they think it's an easy job. I also really suggest that the forums are actually advertised. I can't stress this enough. Most people hardly even know where to apply unless they ask another admin. They have no idea that there is a forum when they apply, probably causing most of the inactivity and lifelessness on here in the first place.
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The Head Admins seem to know the issue like everyone else. The question is, what are they going to do about it?
Are they going to start cutting down on these people or are we going to have this discussion again after Christmas?
I agree. My reaction to this post:
https://youtu.be/SNvDUO42Hys?t=8m50s
It's my turn to talk the truth. Will be brief as well.
Almost every admin is not being active at forums. I can count with my fingers the active admins at forums.
Regardless of them taking reports and addressing issues at forums, as an admin you're required to be active at forums. I'm not saying to be 24/7, many work and/or study, but to at least see the forums once a week would be nice without the need of notifying them.
As for Psy's question and frankly speaking, the option has been offered, awaiting an answer.
I hope it goes through. I also hope the administrators become more active. I hope to assume this admin forum activity includes activity on the public boards.
I'm just going to put a quick post here:
Having a lazy staff that only comes on servers to use perks is going to make other players assume that admins are not that important and only do cool things. It will just cause a constant chain of players making good applications to get in just to occasionally talk in the group chat and dick around. However, having a small staff that actually works will have players assume that being an admin is a serious business. This will probably make most applications more serious and less of the, "fake" ones (as I like to call them) be posted. Not to mention the lack luster effort put into applications. Why? It's because they think it's an easy job. I also really suggest that the forums are actually advertised. I can't stress this enough. Most people hardly even know where to apply unless they ask another admin. They have no idea that there is a forum when they apply, probably causing most of the inactivity and lifelessness on here in the first place.
Heyo! Finally! Someone said it! I've been holding off on that suggestion. I've been waiting for someone else to bring it up. I'm glad someone may have read my posts, or rather, my plea. :D I'm glad someone else also sees the lack of membership on these forums as an issue. I won't even talk about the whole "Topic that Should Not Be Named" issue too... That was a disaster for me and SwapShop. :P But it does sort of relate to the "deadness" of the forums.
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There are many ways to describe the situation but as for a final decision. We already lack the activity on application and forums and by ultimately firing people is like are ban policy which is restored to very last. We have a option we head admins feel is best for everyone this doesn't mean all voices will be heard in voting.
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There are many ways to describe the situation but as for a final decision. We already lack the activity on application and forums and by ultimately firing people is like are ban policy which is restored to very last. We have a option we head admins feel is best for everyone this doesn't mean all voices will be heard in voting. But for now the final decision is we the head admins will make the last word in application accepting but all voiced option will be taken into account with all interest.
Hey, buddy. I think you've posted in the wrong topic. :P I'll help ya out:
http://tf2swapshop.com/forum/index.php?topic=2100.msg13652#new
You might also wanna re-read your paragraph after a little break. ;)
Here's your nightly dose of random Youtube:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4feUSTS21-8
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There are many ways to describe the situation but as for a final decision. We already lack the activity on application and forums and by ultimately firing people is like are ban policy which is restored to very last. We have a option we head admins feel is best for everyone this doesn't mean all voices will be heard in voting. But for now the final decision is we the head admins will make the last word in application accepting but all voiced option will be taken into account with all interest.
Hey, buddy. I think you've posted in the wrong topic. :P I'll help ya out:
http://tf2swapshop.com/forum/index.php?topic=2100.msg13652#new
You might also wanna re-read your paragraph after a little break. ;)
Here's your nightly dose of random Youtube:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4feUSTS21-8
Both threads consist of this topic so doesn't really matter which one it's in.
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There are many ways to describe the situation but as for a final decision. We already lack the activity on application and forums and by ultimately firing people is like are ban policy which is restored to very last. We have a option we head admins feel is best for everyone this doesn't mean all voices will be heard in voting. But for now the final decision is we the head admins will make the last word in application accepting but all voiced option will be taken into account with all interest.
Hey, buddy. I think you've posted in the wrong topic. :P I'll help ya out:
http://tf2swapshop.com/forum/index.php?topic=2100.msg13652#new
You might also wanna re-read your paragraph after a little break. ;)
Here's your nightly dose of random Youtube:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4feUSTS21-8
Both threads consist of this topic so doesn't really matter which one it's in.
However, both topics consists two different grand subjects. It does matter. 8) It's not that big of a deal to mess up. You don't need to make a poor point to justify a small mistake. Now we're both silly for making these posts. :D See what we've done?
Back to our regular program:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YcOlyNXOxRE
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There are many ways to describe the situation but as for a final decision. We already lack the activity on application and forums and by ultimately firing people is like are ban policy which is restored to very last. We have a option we head admins feel is best for everyone this doesn't mean all voices will be heard in voting. But for now the final decision is we the head admins will make the last word in application accepting but all voiced option will be taken into account with all interest.
Hey, buddy. I think you've posted in the wrong topic. :P I'll help ya out:
http://tf2swapshop.com/forum/index.php?topic=2100.msg13652#new
You might also wanna re-read your paragraph after a little break. ;)
Here's your nightly dose of random Youtube:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4feUSTS21-8
Both threads consist of this topic so doesn't really matter which one it's in.
However, both topics consists two different grand subjects. It does matter. 8) It's not that big of a deal to mess up. You don't need to make a poor point to justify a small mistake. Now we're both silly for making these posts. :D See what we've done?
Back to our regular program:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YcOlyNXOxRE
Though this is true it probably would be best to say it all leads to the same thing regardless of threads. :)
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There are many ways to describe the situation but as for a final decision. We already lack the activity on application and forums and by ultimately firing people is like are ban policy which is restored to very last. We have a option we head admins feel is best for everyone this doesn't mean all voices will be heard in voting. But for now the final decision is we the head admins will make the last word in application accepting but all voiced option will be taken into account with all interest.
Hey, buddy. I think you've posted in the wrong topic. :P I'll help ya out:
http://tf2swapshop.com/forum/index.php?topic=2100.msg13652#new
You might also wanna re-read your paragraph after a little break. ;)
Here's your nightly dose of random Youtube:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4feUSTS21-8
Both threads consist of this topic so doesn't really matter which one it's in.
However, both topics consists two different grand subjects. It does matter. 8) It's not that big of a deal to mess up. You don't need to make a poor point to justify a small mistake. Now we're both silly for making these posts. :D See what we've done?
Back to our regular program:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YcOlyNXOxRE
Though this is true it probably would be best to say it all leads to the same thing regardless of threads. :)
Depends on what the "same thing" is in your eyes. That and this thread isn't meant to converge into what's hi-jacking it. It's still welcomed, though. So, eh. I'm not complain'. Didn't I write that before? :P
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Let's just stop this quote-reply and get back on the main topic without sidetracking, TF2SS's current state.
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Considering your first post was about the community and such it isn't restricted to what is posted. Furthermore this could go on and on so I'll be stopping this back and forth bickering c:
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Considering your first post was about the community and such it isn't restricted to what is posted. Furthermore this could go on and on so I'll be stopping this back and forth bickering c:
Ya can't get what you want. But if you try sometimes, you'll find you get what you need:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j7leQB_Oe_k
Let's just stop this quote-reply and get back on the main topic without sidetracking, TF2SS's current state.
Agreed. The forums need more members by advertising and lazy admins need to be demoted. I believe the forum site is actually advertised at the top left hand corner of the in-game HUD. I wouldn't be surprised if people didn't notice it. I think the chat also advertises it. At this rate we may have to be more effective at catching people's eyes. In addition, it doesn't hurt to just spread the word. ;) If any of the demoted admins use the forums actively, then we'll have some more active members. For so long, though... The hope is that they're encouraged and compelled to be dedicated.
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The forums are advertised. There is a huge white text bubble on every player's screen that says www.tf2swapshop.com. I don't understand how people don't see it. Sometimes I wish I couldn't.
Also, I know my opinion is very dynamic, but please do consider the pros of having a larger staff. A larger staff allows more time zone acceptance. A larger staff allows there to be a higher chance that an admin is playing on a server and is creating a good time. I loved playing with admins back before I had become one. More admins build a stronger community.
I am definitely for reducing the administration count, but before everyone jumps on that train, do consider the pros and cons.
~16
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The forums are advertised. There is a huge white text bubble on every player's screen that says www.tf2swapshop.com. I don't understand how people don't see it. Sometimes I wish I couldn't.
Also, I know my opinion is very dynamic, but please do consider the pros of having a larger staff. A larger staff allows more time zone acceptance. A larger staff allows there to be a higher chance that an admin is playing on a server and is creating a good time. I loved playing with admins back before I had become one. More admins build a stronger community.
I am definitely for reducing the administration count, but before everyone jumps on that train, do consider the pros and cons.
~16
Thank you for being straight-forward and honest, Sixteen. This is pretty insightful. I agree with you in a lot of regards. Having more admins brings a lot of pros and cons to the table. The biggest problem for me is, well, we don't have the members we need. Though, I can see your point and I feel the same way about the forums. They're in such a wreck that I wouldn't want to see that website name in the top left hand corner if I were still playing TF2... The text at the top obviously isn't effective. SwapShop may have to resort to more annoying methods to catch people's attention. :P
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Admins shouldn't just be there for filler.
Admins shouldn't just be there to provide fun.
Admins should be there to maintain order and help keep the servers clean and friendly.
I will also go back to my previous suggestion on another thread (or was it this one?) where I said that you guys should keep the applications OPEN. If newer staff members prove to be more capable and active for the job, FIRE the OLD staff members. SwapShop seems to be too sentimental with keeping staff members as if they were trophies hanging on shelves.
Did anything go bad when I left? No..
Did anything change when Zeta left? No..
Did anything really change SwapShop when Knife left? Well, we got different head admin(s) and some rules were changed, but generally speaking, no...
Stop keeping those "cool and chill" staff members who don't do shit.
There's a few new ones that I promoted before I left that are dead as fuck. Anyone who checks the dates on the News will know who I'm talking about.
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Admins should be there to maintain order and help keep the servers clean and friendly.
Stop keeping those "cool and chill" staff members who don't do shit.
100% agreed. Although it is fine to have 1 or 2 admins who are chill, we dont need a shit ton.
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(I've only read half of the forum so please fill me in on what i maybe incorrect on) Due to being someone who has failed to sign-up for admin ship, I can agree that "some" of the admins are slightly abusive and their are some who do not know what a joke simply is, with this being said I did (based on how this certain admin acted) piss off an admin just by joking about him "satirically" aimbotting, while it is quite rude to joking about such a serious thing in a game he then claims that "this is why your not gonna get accepted as an admin" and yes I did claim I was joking yet he did not seem to care...now with all this said, yes I certainly believe that "some" or "majority" of the admins here are abusive in a way due to the above example and from experiences I've had but I disagree when it comes to all admins. I highlight hamatro, death, and bloodrain for helping me and even some retired admins (which I'm not gonna name) have tried to help me which is extremely rare for a lot of gaming servers to have/do. Overall tf2ss isn't that bad of a server in which i reviewed it in my youtube video, it was more so me venting on all the sh*t I dealt with here....
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Requesting topic lock. See the new link below.
http://tf2swapshop.com/forum/index.php?topic=2320.0
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Topic locked.