Topic of Review Boards

[BloodRain]

Read the poll above.

[Peter Capaldi's Peter Capaldi]

I voted for both three and four.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bCLtkGQrNfQ

[Ἀΐδης]

2 and 4


Hades

[Psy]

2 and 4
Making the review boards public would cause a lot of chaos that we won't be able to control such as:

• Unfair poll results
• Possible drama
• Leaves too much room for loss of a potentially good admin.

I'm more than okay with giving applicants the following information:

• Poll results
• Brief summary of why they were denied/accepted.

If somehow, everyone votes to make review boards public, do not say I did not warn you all.

[theSipow]

It's understandable to make the review boards public. But to get started, what's the point of having admins being on the forums if the public can do it for us? Not to mention how unrelated votes could be. Poeople can say "Yes" or "No" for idiotic reasons. It's just too chaotic of an idea.

But I highly agree with letting the applicant know why they were denied. It's an opportunity for denied applicants to improve themselves when they know what they did wrong. It's also a little more polite and honest to do so.

[BloodRain]

It's understandable to make the review boards public. But to get started, what's the point of having admins being on the forums if the public can do it for us? Not to mention how unrelated votes could be. Poeople can say "Yes" or "No" for idiotic reasons. It's just too chaotic of an idea.

But I highly agree with letting the applicant know why they were denied. It's an opportunity for denied applicants to improve themselves when they know what they did wrong. It's also a little more polite and honest to do so.

The way I would see it, people would be able to view the board after the player was accepted/denied.

That way, we wouldn't need to look through comments and/or votes to see which ones really mattered.

[Psy]

It's understandable to make the review boards public. But to get started, what's the point of having admins being on the forums if the public can do it for us? Not to mention how unrelated votes could be. Poeople can say "Yes" or "No" for idiotic reasons. It's just too chaotic of an idea.

But I highly agree with letting the applicant know why they were denied. It's an opportunity for denied applicants to improve themselves when they know what they did wrong. It's also a little more polite and honest to do so.

The way I would see it, people would be able to view the board after the player was accepted/denied.

That way, we wouldn't need to look through comments and/or votes to see which ones really mattered.

If I understand you correctly, we're going to make the Old Reviews public?

So then, we can still vote as a staff privately but applicants would see the board afterwards and it'll be locked, right?

[BloodRain]

It's understandable to make the review boards public. But to get started, what's the point of having admins being on the forums if the public can do it for us? Not to mention how unrelated votes could be. Poeople can say "Yes" or "No" for idiotic reasons. It's just too chaotic of an idea.

But I highly agree with letting the applicant know why they were denied. It's an opportunity for denied applicants to improve themselves when they know what they did wrong. It's also a little more polite and honest to do so.

The way I would see it, people would be able to view the board after the player was accepted/denied.

That way, we wouldn't need to look through comments and/or votes to see which ones really mattered.

If I understand you correctly, we're going to make the Old Reviews public?

So then, we can still vote as a staff privately but applicants would see the board afterwards and it'll be locked, right?

That was the idea, unless you want to make a suggestion.

[Psy]

It's understandable to make the review boards public. But to get started, what's the point of having admins being on the forums if the public can do it for us? Not to mention how unrelated votes could be. Poeople can say "Yes" or "No" for idiotic reasons. It's just too chaotic of an idea.

But I highly agree with letting the applicant know why they were denied. It's an opportunity for denied applicants to improve themselves when they know what they did wrong. It's also a little more polite and honest to do so.

The way I would see it, people would be able to view the board after the player was accepted/denied.

That way, we wouldn't need to look through comments and/or votes to see which ones really mattered.

If I understand you correctly, we're going to make the Old Reviews public?

So then, we can still vote as a staff privately but applicants would see the board afterwards and it'll be locked, right?

That was the idea, unless you want to make a suggestion.

No, I actually agree with it.

[theSipow]

If that's  the case, I'm  changing my vote  to 3 and 4.

[BloodRain]

If #3 is added, the description will be added on to, with "Keep in mind that this board will allow public view after the outcome of the board."

[BloodRain]

2 @ 4 are the safest however, since it gives the player an idea for why they were denied without saying who exactly said what.

[Hamtaro]

I support 2 and 4 because of the following:

- If they could see what we find and/or judge from their actions/events, they could simply change their applications to what we want to read instead to what they really are and mean.

-Drama will be the topic of most applications since we are completely honest there (and so we should be everywhere else.

-Same applies if the review boards were to be viewable by anyone, even if old review boards.

I'll be updating my post later.

[Sixteen]

I very strongly believe you shouldn't allow applicants to see why they have failed there app. The system is good how it is. If you let users learn from everybody else's mistakes, you are going to have more and more "perfected" applications, making the acceptance of new admins harder and harder. Staff is already at its "maximum" of 40ish admins. It has been about 40 for the last... year I would like to say. So if this information is out there, it's going to be harder to see which are the golden applicants as opposed to those who are going to be fools-gold. Unless you are looking for more admins, I think things should remain the same.
~16

[Psy]

I very strongly believe you shouldn't allow applicants to see why they have failed there app. The system is good how it is. If you let users learn from everybody else's mistakes, you are going to have more and more "perfected" applications, making the acceptance of new admins harder and harder. Staff is already at its "maximum" of 40ish admins. It has been about 40 for the last... year I would like to say. So if this information is out there, it's going to be harder to see which are the golden applicants as opposed to those who are going to be fools-gold. Unless you are looking for more admins, I think things should remain the same.
~16

I see and agree with your point. In that case, I'll stick with my original suggestions: show them the poll results and give a brief summary of their acceptance/denial. This won't necessarily be giving out any clues as to what we expect, but rather hints as to why they succeeded/failed.

Another suggestion I came up with it:

- Send them a PM of the poll results and the brief summary. That way, only they can see it. Of course, it does create more work for the Recruit Specialist promoting/denying them.