Topic of Review Boards

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I very strongly believe you shouldn't allow applicants to see why they have failed there app. The system is good how it is. If you let users learn from everybody else's mistakes, you are going to have more and more "perfected" applications, making the acceptance of new admins harder and harder. Staff is already at its "maximum" of 40ish admins. It has been about 40 for the last... year I would like to say. So if this information is out there, it's going to be harder to see which are the golden applicants as opposed to those who are going to be fools-gold. Unless you are looking for more admins, I think things should remain the same.
~16

I see and agree with your point. In that case, I'll stick with my original suggestions: show them the poll results and give a brief summary of their acceptance/denial. This won't necessarily be giving out any clues as to what we expect, but rather hints as to why they succeeded/failed.

Another suggestion I came up with it:

- Send them a PM of the poll results and the brief summary. That way, only they can see it. Of course, it does create more work for the Recruit Specialist promoting/denying them.

I strongly agree with that method. I think the top idea is better for the public but the bottom is better professionally. Either one is definitely acceptable.
~16

[Peter Capaldi's Peter Capaldi]

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Unfair poll results
Possible drama
Leaves too much room for loss of a potentially good admin.

I'm more than okay with giving applicants the following information:

Poll results
Brief summary of why they were denied/accepted.

If somehow, everyone votes to make review boards public, do not say I did not warn you all.

Who's to say we can't isolate polls? Maybe it'll take a little bit of code but it's possible... :| Darn. Maybe I should add that kind of idea to the Forum Functions and Features topic.

Ha! Drama doesn't happen within the admin circle? What? Would it be too much excess to have to show some real professionalism and connection with the members? Is it too much for our professionals? If this were to happen, we got this... You guys got this.

I suppose the member's opinions will mess up these people and waste a "good admin?" I mean, members can already talk about applicants on their applications. I suppose if a member votes it makes it 10^99 times "worse?" I guess the administration has quite a diverse collective of viewpoints but seriously...

I agree with these suggestions.

It's understandable to make the review boards public. But to get started, what's the point of having admins being on the forums if the public can do it for us? Not to mention how unrelated votes could be. Poeople can say "Yes" or "No" for idiotic reasons. It's just too chaotic of an idea.

But I highly agree with letting the applicant know why they were denied. It's an opportunity for denied applicants to improve themselves when they know what they did wrong. It's also a little more polite and honest to do so.

Even if this was the case regarding this idea I would agree with you in the context of the polls being combined instead of isolated. That said, if they are isolated I would also like to see the administrator poll results and the admin input while it's in session. What I'm trying to get at is they should be isolated if the review boards are public. Still, I agree that these review boards should be for admins to make comments on applicants.

Ironically, from my perspective, I'm seeing that the public 'round here IS the admins. Shoot me if I'm wrong. Because a lot of this post is probably ignorantly based upon this perspective.

Ya... But that's going to happen no matter what. I don't care how professional you think you are. You're probably going to make stupid mistakes. Mistakes you won't, don't want to, or can't correct; and people will just turn a blind eye because of ignorance. Look at exhibit A: Me. I suck just as much as anyone else. Be real. Sure, you go and define ignorance. But at the word's core this will be true in any environment. It's common knowledge, eh?

Again, I can see why this is a concern. This is already happening. Why multiply it by 1.0001 percent? I mean, the admins on these forums are the members- the active majority. People apply for admin here because it's how you practically earn membership and an uber important voice. You might as well make the forum's gatekeeper an admin app.

I strongly agree with that method. I think the top idea is better for the public but the bottom is better professionally. Either one is definitely acceptable.
~16

Personally, I believe just the opposite. The public needs to still be represented, protected, given truth, connection, privileges, and the level of respect admins have been recently demonstrating. (And quite well at that). But then again, aren't the admins the public? I suppose you're right in that context.

Both are acceptable; but which one is excellent?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I7yqFVEvdY0

[Psy]

Who's to say we can't isolate polls? Maybe it'll take a little bit of code but it's possible... :| Darn. Maybe I should add that kind of idea to the Forum Functions and Features topic.

Ha! Drama doesn't happen within the admin circle? What? Would it be too much excess to have to show some real professionalism and connection with the members? Is it too much for our professionals? We got this.

I suppose the member's opinions will mess up these people and waste a "good admin?" I mean, members can already talk about applicants on their applications. I suppose if a member votes it makes it 10^99 times "worse?" I guess the administration has quite a diverse collective of viewpoints but seriously...

1. That would be up to Death. If it is possible, I can agree with that feature.

2. I never stated that drama never occurs among the staff. Trust me, it does. The point I'm trying to make here though is that publicizing review boards would just cause more drama. While it is seldom that we get "trolls" such as the case with JoeLife26, and you along with a few other community members are mature enough to handle this idea, it sadly doesn't determine the majority's behavior.

3. Reviewing an application is different from supporting/protesting against an application. Sure, community members can already voice their opinions on the application but would that guarantee fair votes from them? It is currently exclusive to administrators for a reason. That reason being, we have similar mindsets that help us vote for good and fair reasons. Though, I will admit that some of us have been biased in some of our votes. Publicizing review boards will just be too chaotic and too unpredictable for our comfort. Now, if we were allowed to publicize review boards WITHOUT letting community members post on them then I can agree to that. I don't have anything against showing people what they should be allowed to see, it's their reactions that concern me.

Hopefully you can understand the points I'm trying to convey in my wall of text. XD

[Peter Capaldi's Peter Capaldi]

1. That would be up to Death. If it is possible, I can agree with that feature.

2. I never stated that drama never occurs among the staff. Trust me, it does. The point I'm trying to make here though is that publicizing review boards would just cause more drama. While it is seldom that we get "trolls" such as the case with JoeLife26, and you along with a few other community members are mature enough to handle this idea, it sadly doesn't determine the majority's behavior.

3. Reviewing an application is different from supporting/protesting against an application. Sure, community members can already voice their opinions on the application but would that guarantee fair votes from them? It is currently exclusive to administrators for a reason. That reason being, we have similar mindsets that help us vote for good and fair reasons. Though, I will admit that some of us have been biased in some of our votes. Publicizing review boards will just be too chaotic and too unpredictable for our comfort. Now, if we were allowed to publicize review boards WITHOUT letting community members post on them then I can agree to that. I don't have anything against showing people what they should be allowed to see, it's their reactions that concern me.

Hopefully you can understand the points I'm trying to convey in my wall of text. XD

1. Agreed.

2. Understandable. So is SwapShop trying to be more inclusive and neutral regarding maturity, atmosphere, and player-base on the forums or am I asking the wrong question here? I'm not 100% sure and I'm not sure SwapShop is either. I would love to see this place become a little more exclusive for mature individuals. However, I know I can't really say that due to my experiences with 08.

Some people on the in-game servers just aren't there yet... But that also means that a lot of them probably aren't on the forums. You have dealt with more trolls so I suppose you're the educator here.

3. In fact, that's exactly what I was missing in my post. I was, however, trying to convey that idea. But now that I think about it, I wouldn't be apposed to isolating member comments on Admin review comments. The review boards should be reserved for administrators in regards to posting. Members can already post on the actual application itself. With an isolated system members could even talk about the admin's review comments in a separate topic. Even if it isn't official it probably will happen. In some way I feel like it should.

Ya, I think we're on the same page. I'm tired right now. I should be getting ready for bed. I'm just glad you got something out of my post and it wasn't just ignored. I tried hard to make it identifiable. I'm probably going to edit this. *Yawn!* Night.

[BloodRain]

Thank you all for your feedback.

We will now implement poll results and reasons to our final responses on applications.

The PM-method may or may not be considered depending on future suggestions and feedback. For now, it will only be public knowledge.

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